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	<title>Comments on: Should we memorialize the Montreal Massacre?</title>
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		<title>By: cardinal fang</title>
		<link>http://breakablecrate.com/2007/12/06/should-we-memorialize-the-montreal-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>cardinal fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kate - I often confuse myself when I write, to the point that anyone else&#039;s writing that agrees with me seems superior.

I read Kay&#039;s newest article (I guess she writes about this topic every year), to find out what you were arguing against here. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=cc21987b-7108-4425-9ec6-9a7605b37491&amp;k=5202&amp;p=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here, for those that wish to read it&lt;/a&gt;)

You did a good job of calling her out on her errors. In the end though, I agree with her that commemorating the Nov. 6th tragedy is divisive rather than uniting. Unfortunately, Lepine and November 6th/White Ribbons/ Action Against Violence against Women day will be inexorably linked in Canada for a long time to come. Having said that, I do see that good things have come of this inappropriate connection, opening dialogue that perhaps was lacking before the Montreal Massacre. So, yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kate - I often confuse myself when I write, to the point that anyone else's writing that agrees with me seems superior.</p>
<p>I read Kay's newest article (I guess she writes about this topic every year), to find out what you were arguing against here. (<a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=cc21987b-7108-4425-9ec6-9a7605b37491&amp;k=5202&amp;p=1" rel="nofollow">Here, for those that wish to read it</a>)</p>
<p>You did a good job of calling her out on her errors. In the end though, I agree with her that commemorating the Nov. 6th tragedy is divisive rather than uniting. Unfortunately, Lepine and November 6th/White Ribbons/ Action Against Violence against Women day will be inexorably linked in Canada for a long time to come. Having said that, I do see that good things have come of this inappropriate connection, opening dialogue that perhaps was lacking before the Montreal Massacre. So, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting -- this caught my eye because I just read Kay&#039;s piece on the Post&#039;s editorial page (my roommate subscribes).  Clicked on your link, and was surprised to find it was a different article by Kay -- one with less rhetoric than the print version.  

I had to dig it out.  I don&#039;t disagree with everything she says, but I think she&#039;s a hypocrite.  Her argument: don&#039;t turn tragedies to ideological ends.  But her ideology is clear in this article. 

She compares the &quot;branding&quot; of 9/11 and Dec. 6.  To Kay, Dec. 6 is all about propaganda, but 9/11 is not.  (She obviously doesn&#039;t see the way Bush, Giuliana et al use the grieving for their own ends in the same way I do).  

She says that Remembrance Day is the good kind of memorial, &quot;when male heroism was considered a quality deserving of public recognition,&quot; and apparently it&#039;s the only day of the year when feminists can&#039;t exercise their chronic man-hating. So we don&#039;t honour male heroes anymore?  Romeo Dallaire, Stephen Lewis, RCMP officers killed in the line of duty...  

I don&#039;t think Dec. 6 should be about male guilt.  I&#039;m a feminist, but I sure as hell don&#039;t want to be held responsible for what a crazy person like, say, Valerie Solanas (shot Andy Warhol) did.

Kay says: Canadian men, as a whole, do not hate women.  Let&#039;s stop generalizing.  I agree!  While we&#039;re at it, can we agree that feminists, as a whole, don&#039;t hate men?  That not everyone who wears a white ribbon is interested in male-bashing?  I wish she wouldn&#039;t argue against essentialism in an article full of generalizations.  

* * * 

I guess that didn&#039;t have a lot to do with your actual post, except that I think you say what you&#039;re saying better than Kay does.  

I wish she was capable of a reasoned series of sentences like 
&lt;em&gt;I think there is a place for discussion and action for violence against women - I don’t think it’s in the context of the actions of a psychotic killer. Maybe it’s time to re-frame the issue?&lt;/em&gt;
But she doesn&#039;t seem to be.  Too busy grinding her axe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting -- this caught my eye because I just read Kay's piece on the Post's editorial page (my roommate subscribes).  Clicked on your link, and was surprised to find it was a different article by Kay -- one with less rhetoric than the print version.  </p>
<p>I had to dig it out.  I don't disagree with everything she says, but I think she's a hypocrite.  Her argument: don't turn tragedies to ideological ends.  But her ideology is clear in this article. </p>
<p>She compares the "branding" of 9/11 and Dec. 6.  To Kay, Dec. 6 is all about propaganda, but 9/11 is not.  (She obviously doesn't see the way Bush, Giuliana et al use the grieving for their own ends in the same way I do).  </p>
<p>She says that Remembrance Day is the good kind of memorial, "when male heroism was considered a quality deserving of public recognition," and apparently it's the only day of the year when feminists can't exercise their chronic man-hating. So we don't honour male heroes anymore?  Romeo Dallaire, Stephen Lewis, RCMP officers killed in the line of duty...  </p>
<p>I don't think Dec. 6 should be about male guilt.  I'm a feminist, but I sure as hell don't want to be held responsible for what a crazy person like, say, Valerie Solanas (shot Andy Warhol) did.</p>
<p>Kay says: Canadian men, as a whole, do not hate women.  Let's stop generalizing.  I agree!  While we're at it, can we agree that feminists, as a whole, don't hate men?  That not everyone who wears a white ribbon is interested in male-bashing?  I wish she wouldn't argue against essentialism in an article full of generalizations.  </p>
<p>* * * </p>
<p>I guess that didn't have a lot to do with your actual post, except that I think you say what you're saying better than Kay does.  </p>
<p>I wish she was capable of a reasoned series of sentences like<br />
<em>I think there is a place for discussion and action for violence against women - I don’t think it’s in the context of the actions of a psychotic killer. Maybe it’s time to re-frame the issue?</em><br />
But she doesn't seem to be.  Too busy grinding her axe.</p>
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